Glen Beck was standing in front of a blackboard with his typical folksy home spun graphic organizer, and it was his graphic that caught my attention. It said "Destroy our: churches, history, constitution."
I will assume he was not promoting the idea that conservative, libertarian, Republican or Tea Party members should undertake this destruction, but I will assume he was arguing that Obama, the liberals and the Democrats (or whoever) were undertaking this destruction. That bothered me.
I could be troubled by the overly heated nature of his rhetoric, or I could ask pointed questions about exactly how is Obama, the left or the Democratic party (or whoever) destroying our churches. But what bothered me most was his connection of churches with our history and constitution as if they were in the same category. It struck me as a perfect picture of conservative Christians buying into the conflation of the cross and flag, assuming the interests of the Empire are the same as that of the Church.
Even if the the institutional powers of the left in this country were "destroying our churches" I certainly don't believe that political organizing and pinning our hopes on an election is the way to go. Not that we should seek conflict with the Empire, in fact we should pray for our leaders that there would be peace, but, frankly, it would not be the worst thing for the Church in America to undergo some measure of persecution. It might help us see more clearly the lines between the city of God and the city of Man.
After thinking along these lines for a few minutes I had a second impulse. I wondered if I might be reading into his graphic too much; maybe the graphic could not sustain the weight of my argument. So I did a quick search for local news stories regarding the event, hoping to find some quotes by Beck. I found some.
"We've had enough. We're going to set things right," said Beck, arriving to a standing ovation three hours into the event. "The tea party finds itself in the position where it is the beginning of the end of the establishment."
This is eschatological language. The biblical language, as often mentioned by N.T. Wright, speaks of YHWH's return at the end of the present, evil age, and at that time YHWH will "put the world to rights" or in American English "it will be made righteous." The eschaton, the final event of the present age, will mark the time when all our trials, persecutions, temptations and failings will be made right for those that are in union with the New Adam, Christ. The established powers and principalities of this world, against which Paul polemically attacks in many of his epistles, will be dealt with decisively by the return of Jesus the Messiah, and it will not be a good day for whoever is found out to be part of the Old Adam and his order.
The Church's hope is the eschaton, the return of the Messiah; the world will be put to rights and the establishment will be "dethroned" upon His glorious return. That great hope may or may take place this November 2nd, but I am quite certain that if it does it will have nothing to do with the results of an election regardless of who wins.
I am not saying that conservative or liberal Christians cannot vote, organize or run for office. But I am saying that we, the Church, cannot conflate the concerns of Empire with the concerns of Kingdom. And our involvement should not be of such a nature that our cherished eschatological language should be used to further political action.
Glenn beck is Mormon andhe uses eschatological language because the Mormon church believes there is a prophetic moment afoot where they will rescue the country.
ReplyDeleteSad thing is many evangelical Christians are buying into his comments without discernment.
ReplyDeleteIt strikes me, reading some of Glen Beck's speech, that he's almost claiming to be God's hand himself. The Tea Party, led by him, will "set things right" on election day, driving out the liberal congressmen who are "laying siege" to our churches, history, and Constitution. As a replacement, our righteous, new representatives will "restore" the church destroyed by the liberals. It sounds more like Glen is trying to bring back the old days of Roman church-state unison!
ReplyDelete-Robert
Combining church and state in his declaration; Glen Beck is following the same patterns of history. Does he not see that in the past, that brought about no peace? Also, how can he say that Obama is the one to blame for this destruction of church, state, and constitution? Yes he is the one in authority and control, but the people are the ones poisoning society. So many Christians fall into this "feel good" and "make change" talk and that will bring about no good.
ReplyDelete-Callie
I agree with the fact that Gelnn is trying to put the cross and flag together, which is wrong, and will never happen. It does sound like he's trying to bring back the Roman "togetherness" of the church and state. I think his mormon background and beliefs get in the way of his seemly good cause. To evangelical Christains, he can seem like agreat guy who is trying to bring God back into America, yet the problem is, He is going about this task completely wrong. The other problem is that he's claiming to "set things right" which is quite a proud statement for one man to make. In short, Glenn really is an obnoxious person, whose cause seems good, but actually creates more arguments instead of bringing more peace, or "hope".
ReplyDeleteI agree with the previous comments. I agree that he is trying to put the cross and flag together and that had never worked, and will never work. The church and state rarley have the same interests, and with our world the way it is now, that will not soon change. His intentions are good, but they are not accomplishing what he has hoped. I think the approach he is taking will not bring about any progress.
ReplyDelete-Emma
Glen Beck's belief that church and state are the same is wrong. If the church, being our nondenominational church, the government would look differently. Glen fools so many Christian Americans with his talk of bringing in an all Christian government. However the thought of an all Christian government is unrealistic.
ReplyDelete-Kelly
The idea that state and religion can work together for a better nation has proven to be false through the many times that people have tried. Any Christian could be happy at the thought that Glenn want to bring peace but there are a couple things wrong. First, through history when ever this is attempted the church is the one that suffers, in the sense that the church become corrupted in its thinking and behavior. Also, he is just taking the wrong approach to this. Does he really think that combining these two things will make everything right?? I mean how could he think that when it has never worked out in history before?
ReplyDeleteI do however believe that we have had enough that it is time to make things right. But combining the Church and State is not the right way.
-Clare Wagner
I agree that Glenn Beck and his followers have bought into the false concept that the American church and state are the same thing, and that somehow the problems in the American church and American government can be solved through one movement. I am also bothered by his use of biblical language. I hope his use of eschatological language is an ignorant misuse and that Beck does not truly believe that he will play any role in beginning the end of time. The majority of Glenn Beck's claims and plans to revive American just make no sense to me. His overlap of church and state, leaves me unsure of what kind of revival or movement he is intending on starting. Does he really believe that a change in government will result in a spiritual revival in America? A quick look through just American history would show that this has never happened and will likely not ever (not to mention world history's many examples of how this has failed). Although these claims and the amount of people who waste listening to them is very troubling and irritating, these claims are nonsense and pose no threat in solving any problems in either church or state.
ReplyDeleteIndeed the church should not be thought of as one with the government. The people who run our government do not always make Biblical decisions, and are therefore not always in the church of God. Now, that does not mean that the people who run the government are evil and satanic. However, this does mean that our government leaders are primarily atheist. Also, if Mr. Beck's beliefs were to be considered true, when people obey the law, they may in fact believe they are obeying the beliefs of the church.
ReplyDeleteThe idea that the church and state are the same, and that they can work in one movement to solve the problems our nation has, is a tad ridiculous, in my opinion. A look through history shows that this idea has never worked and has often caused more destruction than good. The fact that he wants to bring God back into America sounds good, but really he is going about everything the wrong way. All he is doing is causing more arguments and giving Christians a terrible name.
ReplyDeleteAlso, the people are in control of destroying the church, not Obama. Sure he is the leader of our country, but I don't see what he's doing that is destroying the church. That's all thanks to the people of America.